well I think the company I work for is way too unorganized to have everything on paper before hand, it is up to the installer to figure it out. Get to the sight, guess what wires are what (a bit of an exaderation) and go from there. I don't know if I will be able to talk our prewire guys into self-laminating wire lables or not, I'll feel my way into when I am there longer. I think I will have to be there alot longer to get every one to get all of our jobs down on paper before doing anything. Thanks for all of your help on this topic, I have gotten alot of tools and most of the ones you mentioned here.