The same scam is going on in Denver, they have the phony magazine with a $2500 price, and of course there's someone on EBAY out of Florida trying to sell some for $2500. The seller on EBAY has ZERO reviews.. Like previously mentioned, if it sounds too good to be true, do your research first.

[Link: cgi.ebay.com]

Bit more expensive than this pair pair then.

Interestingly, whilst the L6 of the title is, purportedly, a re-badged(?) Eltax Logic 6, the T2450 bears no relation, so far as I can tell, to anything Eltax have ever made. I think it's also fair to add that Eltax themselves are reputable company that sells cheap 'n' cheerful solutions, and have never professed them to be anything but.


PS
Re. the fleabay pair, I've done a bit of a shipping cost calculation guesstimate. UPS Worldwide Express: approximately $250 - 300. Think I'll pass.

This message was edited by djy on 09/01/05 03:49 ET.

Same thing happened here in College Station, Tx. WTH???

[Link: cgi.ebay.com]

Here is someone else on ebay trying to sell these crappy speakers. I emailed him saying that i was VERY interested but that I wouldn't bid until I knew the reserve price. He emailed back saying that the reserve is $250 but that he could go lower if I needed him to. HAHA What a dork!

I guess I'm not as dumb as I look since when a couple of these guys approached me about 18 months ago in a Carrollton, TX parking lot, I had the sense to laugh at them as I drove away with all my $$ intact.

Suggestion: We all start carrying around a large BLACK MAGIC MARKER with us in our vehicles. When one of these sleazebuckets approaches in their (typically white or grey) vans to get us to buy this crap, we walk to the side of their vehicle and as quickly as possible write the word:

SCAM!!

in HUGE capital letters on the side of their van and then DARE them to call the police on you!! I think we all know that would not happen! (To be safe, we should probably carry both a Magic Marker and a good-sized baseball bat!)

Doing this would serve two purposes: a warning to the gullible & amusement to ourselves.

My buddy just got hit with this scam in a gas station in L.A., fortunately he called me first and I gave him the skinny.

Two guys in a kia SUV with the same magazine, wanted $200.

Poor guys, business must be down, having to drive around in KIAs. I think they should put some Escalade badges on it and see if they can sell it real cheap to one of the morons who bought their speakers.

Van sighting.... The AVALON DISTRIBUTORS van was sighted in Ardmore, PA today. A friend called and asked me if I needed anything. I told him to pass but I could hear the guys trying to sell me over the phone.

A detective friend of mine stated that this is a HUGE scam (like this thread didn't say enough) in the Philadelphia area. He also stated that it is not even a major crime since the people sell you a product (system worth about $200) but not what they advertised. Basically they are selling you a car for double the blue book value. These vans are usually rented and used for a while then returned to their original state when returned.

The things scum will do to make a buck.

PHILLY, be on the lookout.

INFORMATION ON THE PHILADELPHIA AREA CREW (and Pittsburg relation):
This information was also submitted to channels 3, 6, 10, 29; Pennsylvania Attorney’s office; Internal Revenue Service; ScamSheild; and better business bureau.

Note: It is not the direct marketing scheme that angers people; it is the fraudulent and deceptive way you do it. People know the value of their money but the value of your product is misrepresented in the presentation and that is the truth. They actually cover themselves legally with the way they do business with you. It is important that you take action in the first 3 days of the purchase, or it can get sticky. All of the following information is to help people. If dealing with any individual from these businesses, please be careful since they have several postings where they threaten harm to individuals in their sales techniques and when returning goods.

IMPORTANT: If you get sold these goods, you have ONLY THREE business days to refund get your money back. It is a law in Pennsylvania, and most states. YOU WILL GET A MESSAGE IN MOST CASES, SO FOR YOUR LEGAL RIGHT DOCUMENT (note times, dates of calls; record messages, etc…) YOUR CALLS TO THE COMPANY. If you contact him and there is a couple days left out of your three he'll say come down next week so he can shaft you.

Address they give as their office on paperwork:
Avalon Distributions
875 Pennsylvania Blvd. Unit 8
Feasterville, PA 19053
Phone 215 357-4752
Fax 215 357-4753

Official address of business in Phila. Area:
T & M Distibutors (a.k.a. Kelfi Distributors, Crown Audio, American Sound Systems)
5903 Emilie Road
Levittown, PA 19057
Corner of Green Lane and Emilie Road.
Phone: (215) 949-8801
Fax: (215) 949-8802
Contact: John Mehaffey- distribution head for NE region
Also gives 47 Coles Road, Unit 1, Blackwood, NJ 08012 and 1400 Adams Road, Bensalem, PA 19020 (see below because this is huge obviously)

Employee 1: Erik A.K.A. "Opie"
Sales Manager
T & M Enterprise, Inc.

Employee 2: Dominic at 215-570-1520

There are 4 vans that appear to hit the Philly area:
White Van 1 marked with Avalon Distributions, PA YKY-4084
White Van 2 - 2000 to 2003 White Chevy Express Van, PA YNF-2739
White Van 3 - PA YPH-0118
White Van 4 - PA YJN-4053
There also are posts of vans from Texas

The Pittsburgh location is:
Avalon Distributors
307 High Tech Drive
OAKDALE, PA 15071
Sean Haugh appears to be in charge here

------------------
Here is a list of known distribution hubs (also 2 places in Pittsburgh, one in Philly, one in Chicago, and one in Dallas area):
NOTE: These are the centers they buy their product from and may not be directly connected to the fraud.
# 1:
TriState SounDivision
Serving NJ, PA, and DE
601 E. Pennsylvania Blvd.
Feasterville, PA 19053
Phone: (215) 364-0175
Fax: (215) 364-0176

# 2:
JAM Enterprises
726 Pennsylvania Avenue
Southhampton, PA 18966

# 3:
Jam Enterprises
1400 Adams Road
Bensalem, PA 19020
Phone: (215) 244-6847

# 4:
SounDivision, North New Jersey
47 Coles Rd, Unit 1
Blackwood, NJ 08012
Phone: (856) 228-0100
Fax: (856) 228-0400

-----
Here is a copy of their employment Ad in the paper:
Rock & Roll company seeks cool, motivated individuals. Start immeditaely distributing Kirsch audio products. $600-$1200 weekly plus bonus.
Call: Tom, 724-695-3414. Avalon Distributors Inc.

Web ad:
Location: BENSALEM, PA
Date Posted: 11-28-2004
Job Description
Description: AUDIO SALES $500-$1000 WKLY We want motivated people. Co. car, rapid advancement. No experience necessary. 215-364-0175
----------------

Thanks Adam D. from Scamsheild, you can even call one of their moms!

mahaffey # 215-266-3356 and verified that he's in the philadelphia office.
he verified the pittsburgh office manager is sean, here's the following info for avalon distributors...
Product or Service Involved: avalon distributors

Hey guys I did a little skip trace work. The telephone listing of avalon distributors lead to:
Avalon Distributors
724-695-3414

Business Owner
Dave James
107 Bayberry Dr
Sarver PA 16055
Spoke with business owner mother at tel# 724-294-3032 and confirmed he is the business owner.

All information is given in reference for legal pursuit.

The given contact information is assumed to be correct and should be verified.
----------------
Here is James and his life….
Ok people heres the deal. I was a "speakerman" for 5 yrs being all over the country. There aint nothin illegal about it and it sure as hell aint no scam. Its called direct sales. Nothin you buy in the store is worth what you pay for it. from manufacture-warehousing-store, the price gets jacked up along the way for each person to make his profit. If you got expendible cash and your greedy, you're gonna pay $1000 for the set. If you still got more cash, I'm gonna double-set $1500 ya. We play off of YOUR greed. YOU wanted the deal. Why did you pull over? Cause your life is miserable and you want to be part of something exciting. Its the excitement and the thrill of the kill that makes you pull over. If I notice something your wearing, in your car, on your car that I can relate to, I'm gonna become your friend....or so you think. Build a trust. I got a $200,000 house thats paid for and 3 corvettes, all paid for in cash. Thank you for being greedy and allowing me to retire and travel the world at the age of 32. To all speakermen around the country....SELL OUT

INFORMATION ON THE PHILADELPHIA AREA CREW (and Pittsburg relation):
This information was also submitted to channels 3, 6, 10, 29; Pennsylvania Attorney’s office; Internal Revenue Service; ScamSheild; and better business bureau.

Note: It is not the direct marketing scheme that angers people; it is the fraudulent and deceptive way you do it. People know the value of their money but the value of your product is misrepresented in the presentation and that is the truth. They actually cover themselves legally with the way they do business with you. It is important that you take action in the first 3 days of the purchase, or it can get sticky. All of the following information is to help people. If dealing with any individual from these businesses, please be careful since they have several postings where they threaten harm to individuals in their sales techniques and when returning goods.

IMPORTANT: If you get sold these goods, you have ONLY THREE business days to refund get your money back. It is a law in Pennsylvania, and most states. YOU WILL GET A MESSAGE IN MOST CASES, SO FOR YOUR LEGAL RIGHT DOCUMENT (note times, dates of calls; record messages, etc…) YOUR CALLS TO THE COMPANY. If you contact him and there is a couple days left out of your three he'll say come down next week so he can shaft you.

Address they give as their office on paperwork:
Avalon Distributions
875 Pennsylvania Blvd. Unit 8
Feasterville, PA 19053
Phone 215 357-4752
Fax 215 357-4753

Official address of business in Phila. Area:
T & M Distibutors (a.k.a. Kelfi Distributors, Crown Audio, American Sound Systems)
5903 Emilie Road
Levittown, PA 19057
Corner of Green Lane and Emilie Road.
Phone: (215) 949-8801
Fax: (215) 949-8802
Contact: John Mehaffey- distribution head for NE region
Also gives 47 Coles Road, Unit 1, Blackwood, NJ 08012 and 1400 Adams Road, Bensalem, PA 19020 (see below because this is huge obviously)

John’s mailing address and home information:
John J Mehaffey Jr.
51 Whitewood Drive
Levittown, PA 19057
cell 215-266-3356
white, male, 6'01", hazel eyes (cross eyed) and his date of birth is 05/03/1967
Do not get violent with this man because he brags about carrying and “equalizer” for protection. He spawned 8 separate companies from this one.

Employee 1: Erik A.K.A. "Opie"
Sales Manager
T & M Enterprise, Inc.

Employee 2: Dominic at 215-570-1520

There are 4 vans that appear to hit the Philly area:
White Van 1 marked with Avalon Distributions, PA YKY-4084
White Van 2 - 2000 to 2003 White Chevy Express Van, PA YNF-2739
White Van 3 - PA YPH-0118
White Van 4 - PA YJN-4053
There also are posts of vans from Texas

The Pittsburgh location is:
Avalon Distributors
307 High Tech Drive
OAKDALE, PA 15071
Sean Haugh appears to be in charge here

------------------
Here is a list of known distribution hubs (also 2 places in Pittsburgh, one in Philly, one in Chicago, and one in Dallas area):
NOTE: These are the centers they buy their product from and may not be directly connected to the fraud.
# 1:
TriState SounDivision
Serving NJ, PA, and DE
601 E. Pennsylvania Blvd.
Feasterville, PA 19053
Phone: (215) 364-0175
Fax: (215) 364-0176

# 2:
JAM Enterprises
726 Pennsylvania Avenue
Southhampton, PA 18966

# 3:
Jam Enterprises
1400 Adams Road
Bensalem, PA 19020
Phone: (215) 244-6847

# 4:
SounDivision, North New Jersey
47 Coles Rd, Unit 1
Blackwood, NJ 08012
Phone: (856) 228-0100
Fax: (856) 228-0400

-----
Here is a copy of their employment Ad in the paper:
Rock & Roll company seeks cool, motivated individuals. Start immeditaely distributing Kirsch audio products. $600-$1200 weekly plus bonus.
Call: Tom, 724-695-3414. Avalon Distributors Inc.

Web ad:
Location: BENSALEM, PA
Date Posted: 11-28-2004
Job Description
Description: AUDIO SALES $500-$1000 WKLY We want motivated people. Co. car, rapid advancement. No experience necessary. 215-364-0175
----------------

Hey the same thing happened to a friend of mine. This is what he said happened. "before they drove off, i asked for their number, and i said, im going to call this number, and i want to hear your phone ring. so i called it, and sure enough, it rang. the number is (225) 205-3546 this is a Louisiana number. 30 minutes after the deal went down, i realised i just got husseled...so i called them back, and they answered, declearing that i had the wrong number, that they were suit salesmen"

They asked me yesterday in a parking lot if I wanted to buy a home theater. "We've got an extra one." I said, "Oh, you are the guys I've heard all about on the internet." They said, "Yeah, except we are legit and give out receipts." (shows me receipt for some company). "NO thanks!" (wish I'd had one of my business cards I could have handed them).

The speakers , dont kick yourself, too hard. For under 2 bills I dont know if you can get the power. My Marantz 250 watts per channel already shredded 750$ Braun speakers twice, bad roomates. This just shows that stuff is made cheap and marked up 1000 %. My Mac computer costs the Apple store like 400% I paid $ 2400. The week after I bought it it was worth 800$ maybe on E Bay. We learn. The theatre Logic no doubt is a dummy maker, I just hope my Marantz 2500 likes them ,the closest thing I could find were 800$ each ,retail so where do you want to shop, parking lot? next time 75 to 100 no more !

A couple of weeks before we went into Iraq I paid 96 cents a gallon for diesel fuel in the midwest, where fuel was cheap, its $3.00 now, and you know who is also paying to make that happen. We are paying the oil co to charge us when you consider we are paying for Iraq also, gas in the tank is probably 10 /15 $ per gal. A house that's worth $179, 000, a broker now says is worth 1.2 mil a year or two later. I looked at a truck one dealer wanted $42,000 the same truck different dealer $ 32,000 sometimes when we want something we buy impulsively it is better to look listen and wait.

I just got suckered in. All I feel now is really stupid. This is definitely karma like the guy said. I've had too much good luck recently.They pulled it here in Austin, TX with a company caleld Worldwide Audio (which doesn't exist) on S. 1st. One guy was from Sacramento he said. They used the magazine trick on me, and he seemed upset when I lost the magazine at the bank. Is this even a real speaker company? The website doesn't even work.